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[ivyfic]

It also occured to me that while we've never seen anyone dial the same symbol in the DHD twice, let alone twice in a row, that's common in planet designations. (A la P3R-668 or some such.) In fact, if you were dealing with the geometric model Daniel purports in the movie, you could not have the same symbol twice in the same address. In fact, with that model, it shouldn't matter what order you dial the six symbols in, they would still designate the same planet, which is clearly not the case in the show. In the show, it has been used as a plot point (can't remember where) that different permutations of the same set of symbols lead to different places.

Which leads me back to my original statement that saying that the six symbols specify a unique point in space through geometry is just stupid and couldn't possibly work and it has to be something more arbitrary than that.

bubbleslayer has pointed out that in one ep Sam says that P designates planet and M moon, which brings me back to the original hypothesis that the designations are like normal astronomic designations and have nothing to do with the gate. But it leads me to two questions. One - do they know before they dial where the wormhole will go (there is evidence to support this)? And two - do they know in advance whether it will be the planet or the moon with the gate? Unless the Abydos cartouche specifies this for the gate addresses, I don't see how they could, and if they don't, they wouldn't be able to name the planets/moons with those designations.

I guess my whole point is that it's just so elegant if the planet designations are the gate addresses, and since there are 36 symbols on the gate and 6 digits in the planet designations there's no reason why that shouldn't be how it works. So I'm going to say that that's how the SGC's assigning planet designations. lalalalalala! Can't hear you!

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[justcomeinalone.livejournal.com]

Dude, as I am incredibly drunk at the moment, this theory/belief just BLEW MY MIND .... good times.

I would still like to see the SG team dial in a sequence that took them to a place that spoke Portoguese instead of anything resembling english. Ah, well.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think you'd have to be drunk to appreciate this theory. Or you'd have to be me.

You want aliens to speak a language that was actually around when they were taken from Earth and not the modern form of one that developed a millenia later???? Sheesh! What kind of sf fan are you?

(Hey, at least they spoke Egyptian on Abydos. And we've had a couple Daniel-figures-out-the-language eps.)

[justcomeinalone.livejournal.com]

(hours later as I awake semi-sober, it takes me a moment to remember what I originally commented on this topic).

I don't watch the show much but would love to see one where Daniel figured out a language (which I realize is his THING apparently) and is just told "Dude, you are WAY off base and talk like you're retarded," and is forced to pick up the alien slang or be considered "uncool."

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

...wouldn't that be the movie? Where Ska'ara and the other Abydonians identify Daniel by clucking like a chicken?

There are a series of eps where Daniel figures out the language and culture of the Unas. I really like those eps, even if Unas language seems to have about a ten word vocabulary.

There's even an episode where Jack asks Daniel what "Jaffa Kree" means and Daniel admits that it's a sort of all purpose thing, meaning anything from "listen" to "find the off-worlders hiding behind those pillars and kill all of them except for the gray-haired one who you should bring to me."

[justcomeinalone.livejournal.com]

THat would indeed be the movie. Which is one of the reasons why I have NO real complaints about the movie (other than I think I could've taken Ra, the little twerp).

So "Jaffa Kree" was basically the alien equivalent of "Fugged About it." I like it. :-D

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

I think that "Jaffa Kree" means "I need something menacing in the Goa'uld tongue here and it's late and I'm tired and I have to hand this damn script in tomorrow and what the hell - Jaffa Kree. That works."

I was underwhelmed by the movie when I frist saw it, but watching it again after seeing the series (and with a finer appreciation for James Spader, since at the time I first saw it, I'd only seen him in "Secretary") I liked it quite a lot. I actually love the whole translation angle. And I'd like to see you try to take Ra. His big gold head would squish you like a bug.

[justcomeinalone.livejournal.com]

I think what I liked about the movie Stargate was that it wasn't just the sci-fi action flick I expected when I saw it, there was some nice touching characterization there for people who otherwise may've had no interest in the genre. I love Jack and Daniel when they talk about "Why do you want to die so much?" becuase Jack never says "After my son died I have nothing to live for." A lot of movies these days would've done that, but that movie relied on the fact that it was more important YOU knew that than it was to have Jack flat-out say it, especially when you consider that he doesn't really know or necessarily like Daniel. That always kills me when two characters in a movie talk about some life-altering event that made them who they are, etc., and I'm thinking "Dude, you've known this guy for what, a day and a half? Why are you telling him something that personal?"

And I could totally take Ra. That headpiece ofhis allows for no peripheral vision and probably clogs up his hearing. So THERE!

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

Also a pet peeve of mine. (Did you see the movie Constantine? Cause, why is John spilling his guts about the most traumatic events of his past to Angela after knowing her for less than a day? Oh, right, so the audience knows.)

My favorite bits of the movie are all Daniel working on puzzles, first of the gate, then figuring out the language. Daniel is, of course, my favorite character (I know, I know, you're shocked).

Two things about Ra:
a)minions
b)hand ray-beam-glowy-light thingy of DEATH!

[justcomeinalone.livejournal.com]

A) Minions can be bought off with chocolate. Or twizzlers. Everyone loves twizzlers (except the black ones).
B) He has to SEE ME before he uses hand-glowy-death-thing!

And yes, that scene in Constantine is EXACTLY what I was talking about (nevermind that I also thought it was kinda crap motivation and basically implied that anyone in this world who had a near-death experience automatically got the power to see spirits and the like). Even in the movie, it didn't make sense for the character. He's so closed about a lot of other things and more prone to sarcasm than telling anyone a straight answer, why would he decide to trust her at that moment?

Yes, I am so shocked Daniel is your fave. Seriously, jaw on the floor. Don't know how it could be.

But yeah, I also dug that about Daniel. All about the guy who can look at a situation and be like "Okay, this is just a puzzle. Give me five minutes and some quiet." One of the reasons why I dearly love the Doctor and Batman.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

For Constantine - I don't think they ever imply that the ability to see angels/demons came from near-death experiences. John was born with it, as was Angela, though she had suppressed hers.

Here's my rationalization for him spilling his guts to Angela, since I find that terribly out of character, too. In my mind, he hasn't told Chas or his other associates that. I can't see John opening up to people about the fact that he hates God because he's going to go to Hell. It seems Midnite knows, but Midnite could have found out from his other connections. Anyway. John tells Angela because:
1-He is about to die.
2-He'd probably like to get laid before he dies, and there's nothing like a healthy helping of pity to increase the likelihood of that.

I also love the Batman. Again - surprising? No. Especially when he's being played by Christian Bale.

[justcomeinalone.livejournal.com]

Perhaps I misremembered the explanation. It's been a while since i saw the movie and I only saw it once.

Reason #2 works for me.

Hehehehe. Ze women love ze batman (especially with Bale at the helm). I am such a Batman-fanatic & know far too much about him (I can tell you the date & time his parents died).

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

I can tell you the date & time his parents died
Ah, but which continuity?

[justcomeinalone.livejournal.com]

Actually, both pre and post-crisis (as well as post-infinite crisis) the time and date have remained the same. June 26th 10:47 pm. In fact, when Batman opened the lock/door to the Cave behind the grandfather clock in his mansion, he first had to set the clock counter-clockwise until it hit 10:47 pm, after which he had to pull at a lever. He knows the exact time because his father's wrist-watch cracked.

But yeah, that's only comic continuity. Movie/animated, couldn't tell ya. I mean,in the movie he left Die Fliedermaus as opposed to The Mark of Zorro, so who KNOWS what time they left.

Oh, god i'm sad .... :-P