Heroes finale

[ivyfic]

You know, that might have been more shocking had I not already seen dozens of fic in which the exact same thing happened. So I'd like to take a moment to point out a few plot holes:
1 - Shooting Peter wouldn't actually kill him. Seems like the best plan to me.
2 - Peter can fly. On his own, without Nathan's help.
Also:
3 - Fallout
4 - EMP. There should be planes falling from the sky.

Yes, yes, I know it wouldn't be so beautifully tragic if they paid attention to these things, but I like my shows to work for their angst.

The final minute was certainly unexpected, but I'm not all that interested in this apparent new direction. We'll see when the new season starts up if I want to follow it.

At least we finally know what Peter's power is, thanks to Mr. Deveaux. He has the power of heart. (Yes, that sound you hear is the sound of me rolling my eyes.)

Comments

[linaerys.livejournal.com]

The heart thing was cheesetacular, and if they don't bring back Nathan this show is DEAD TO ME. DEAD I SAY.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

Someone was telling me that originally the show was supposed to roll over cast members as each story was told. And I don't really give them enough credit to write their way out of this. That's what fanfic is for. :) At least they didn't joss my plot bunny.

Further plot hole:
-Why does Peter randomly start going off like that? For serious.

I'm also kind of annoyed at them pulling Sylar's-dead-no-wait again. They had three villains this season--Linderman, the Company and Sylar--and they hinted at a brand new bigger better villain. So kill off the ones you have! You can't keep Sylar and the Company and the new one going indefinitely unless you show they're linked! Stuff like this happens and I start getting whiffs of the X-Files.

[linaerys.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm trying not to think too much about all the things in this show that bug me. More even than the is-he-dead-no-wait is the fact that so much plot hinges on our characters not thinking more than one step ahead, if that, at any point.

My love for this show is fragile and dependent on the Peter/Nathan, so they better bring that back next year. For them, I can overlook quite a lot of other suckiness, but without them? No.

I've heard they changed their mind on the rolling over cast members thing, because people got too attached to the cast. And really, how dumb is it to roll off beloved characters? The writing isn't good enough for me to be here for the writing.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

At least we finally know what Peter's power is, thanks to Mr. Deveaux. He has the power of heart.

HEART!

Yeah, uh WTF? Plot holes like whoa.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

The more I think about it, the more I see. ARGH! IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANGSTALICIOUS AND THEY RUINED IT WITH LOGIC.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

I think they ruined it with SUCK. In the bad way.

[bigscary.livejournal.com]

1 - Shooting Peter wouldn't actually kill him. Seems like the best plan to me.

We've never seen either him or Claire with damage to their weak point (brain stem) equivalent to a short range, large caliber, handgun round. He seems to believe it would be final, or at least debilitating long enough for them to do something.

2 - Peter can fly. On his own, without Nathan's help.
He seemed pretty focused on holding in the TedPower. He also didn't HiroJump away. He didn't even seem capable of, say, picking up the gun himself, or cutting his head off with Hiro's sword, or anything. The body language seemed pretty clear to me: He was devoting all his energy to holding in the glowy.


Also:
3 - Fallout
His wife's death aside (which might not even be his fault), Ted's power seemed to be reasonably "clean". Note the controlled EMP during their escape. Indeed, consider that the original FutureNYC seemed reasonably habitable, and the damage looked mostly like direct blast rather than radioactive contamination.



4 - EMP. There should be planes falling from the sky.
See #3. Ted and facsimiles thereof seem NOT to be simply "Human Nuclear Bombs", but rather difficult to control fountains of vast energy, expressible in different ways, for whom "Human Bomb" is the easiest metaphor -- after multiple weeks with him, Matt didn't seem to be losing hair or teeth or intestinal lining. If he really was simply a big ole pile of sustained near-criticality, then everyone in that plaza is going to be dying in one of the most horrible ways possible in a matter of weeks.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

Is it so much to ask that when my show requires giant leaps of logic to justify itself those leaps of logic actually be discussed in the show?

For example--this base of the skull thing makes sense, but there was nothing in the show to state explicitly that's what they mean, and if there was I'd call bullshit cause how would they know without testing it on Claire or Peter? At the time Peter said something about that spot in his skull Claire should shoot for, the only thing I could think he was referring to was his recent death experience. Both Peter and Claire have "died" from having something lodged in their brain, but in both cases, removing that item revived them. So, based on what we've seen in the show, if Claire shot Peter in the head, he'd "die" until they dug the bullet out. Or at least he'd lose conciousness, and as we've seen before when Claude punched out Peter, losing conciousness stops Peter from using his abilities.

So in conclusion, I call bull on point number 1.

I'll concede you point number 2, though I could have imagined a more dramatic portrayal of Peter losing control than him standing there looking like a slightly worried glowy Jesus.

3 and 4 I again call the utter lack of any attempt at rationalisation in the show. Isaac's visions show a mushroom cloud, so until they say otherwise, there should be fallout. As for Matt not dying--Ted can turn his abilities off and on, so that still makes perfect sense. He killed his wife before he learned to control it. But yes, at the very least Matt should not be having any more children.

[dotfic.livejournal.com]

1. My thought exactly.
2. I hadn't even thought of that! (Or 3 and 4).

I did enjoy it. I have...issues...with it (all you need is love is as good a message as any but omg, they kept saying it...and saying it...and saying it...) But there were moments that made me happy.

It's a show I watch as kind of a diversion, it doesn't own my soul. The question is how long can I stick with a show that doesn't own my soul. It's been a full 22 episodes and Heroes isn't quite there. But I like a lot of the characters and will check out season 3 just to see what happens to my favorite characters.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

It just bothers me that this is the kind of show that depends on plot developments growing out of hints and clues from previous episodes. It's goal is to make you go, "oh, yeah...I hadn't thought of that but it makes perfect sense." And for a show like that to FUCK IT UP is just so much worse than a show like SGA or Alias not making sense.

[tirtzah.livejournal.com]

1. Shooting Peter at point blank range in the back of the skull (as they discussed a few episodes ago) could probably kill him if it destroyed enough of his brain, which is the source of the powers. No brain, no regeneration.

2. This bugged me a bit but I think the idea is Peter was overloading and losing control of all the powers he'd accumulated and he couldn't manage to fly away on his own. (Would have liked to have seen him try though.)

3. + 4. Science and this show are like unmixy things. I gave up on them ever getting anything right in the pilot when Mohinder asserted that human beings only use 10% of their brain. Completely false. A myth that continues to be propagated by superhero shows (see also: The 4400).

I totally called the Nathan flying off with Peter thing in the car on the way to a Heroes viewing party. I refuse to believe that either character is dead until I see a corpse (yeah, I know vaporized, still won't buy it). I can't see them really killing off two of their best actors. o_O

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

As for 1, I agree that this makes sense, but I still don't think the show was explicit enough about it. We're not even sure that Claire would die if you removed her brain. For most of the series, this was the assumption because we assumed Sylar could kill her. But, we then go to the future where Claire is supposed to be dead and she isn't. They do a hand-wavy thing to say that Peter saved her, but it's unclear. She could have survived Sylar's attack. In any case, there's been no convincing evidence that brain removal would kill her.

And (I know, stop thinking about the science) despite the fact that Sylar gains powers by removing brains, Mohinder keeps insisting that the power is in their DNA, which means it's not just in their brains. It's the medichlorians!! That's it!!

In conclusion, my point is that I shouldn't have to do this amount of flaily rationalization for the events in a show to make sense. Shows, especially ones like this that rely so heavily on all the pieces fitting together, should not require reams of fan wank to dig them out of logical holes.

[tirtzah.livejournal.com]

I guess it's because I've seen a lot of the behind the extra stuff like the commentaries and interviews where they noted that if Claire's brain was destroyed or if she stayed with something lodged in her brain too long she would die (several days I'm guessing). I do agree they should have made this clearer on the show so we wouldn't have these questions. (I think she could only survive Sylar's attack if she was forwarned or he could only kill her if he knew her ability well and knew to just cut her skull/kill her as soon as possible so she'd stay down while he got at her brain.)

Oh god medichlorians! >_< *shakes fist and George Lucas* Maybe the trait for powers is genetic but the specific power is determined in the brain? (I know, don't try and apply logic.)

I agree about the amount of fanwank required. I'm hoping they'll manage to improve this next season.

Yeah mclittlebitch and I were speculating on that Peter/Nathan idea yesterday, but I'm selfish and I want Nathan still alive and well. Cause I want some "Claire's two dads" scenes between him and Mr. Bennet. (Noah! Eee! I'm such a Mr. Bennet fangirl.)

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

As for killing Nathan and Peter, I've seen some fantastic speculation over in linaerys's journal that Peter absorbed Jessica's share-body-with-psychotic-dead-sibling power and Nathan will die but end up in sharing Peter's body. This would be a bizarre direction for the show to take, but oh-so-very amusing.