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HOLY SHIT!!!

Peter Jackson has optioned Naomi Novik's Timeraire novels. Way to go Naomi! Fanfic hits the big time. Mwahahahaha!

Date: 2006-09-12 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sasha-b.livejournal.com
That is FUCKING awesome.

Thanks for the news.

Date: 2006-09-12 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
That's very impressive. First book not only picked up but developed into at least a four-book series and now Peter Jackson's optioned it. We officially hate her.

Date: 2006-09-12 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
No, we love her because this book started off as a Master and Commander/Anne McCaffrey's Dragons of Pern fanfic. And that just rocks.

Date: 2006-09-12 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
Really? I'm in the middle of reading it right now. It's actually quite good. Although it does seem rather, well, Perny.

Date: 2006-09-12 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
I've never read Dragons of Pern but it seemed a bit Master and Commander-y to me. I enjoyed it quite a bit, despite Timeraire being the most specialist dragon ever.

I'm less surprised that Jackson optioned it than I am that he saw it all. Cause - dude. Aerial dragon battles and Napoleonic age of sail ship-to-ship battles? No way he couldn't go for that.

We'll see if anything comes of it. For the moment I'm more curious to see what the news does to fandom. One of us! One of us!

Date: 2006-09-12 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
Well, honestly, anything written in that time period is going to seem either Master and Commander-y or Horatio Hornblower-y.

Temeraire is the most specialist dragon ever - but honestly, an awful lot of fantasy books have the main character or their familiar be the specialist something ever. Wheel of Time, where the main characters are the most important people of all time, reincarnated? Mercedes Lackey's Valdemar books, where she has to be always coming up with new super-ultra mages so that the main character of the most recent trilogy can be even specialer than the one from the last trilogy (and new ways the familiar can be even more special and cool)? Anne McCaffery, with either the first woman in ages to actually get her dragon to fly who also happens to be the heir to our favorite Hold, or the most powerful telepath ever (or her daughter, who's even more powerful, or her daughter, who's even more powerful)? An awful lot of fantasy books are about someone who seems like they're ordinary but turn out to be either incredibly gifted or destined to be really important. It kinda goes with the genre, really.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
Please stop using terms like "specialer" and "specialist." I'm begging you.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
That was a typo on my part; I meant "specialest."

Date: 2006-09-12 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
I know you did. It was a typo on *my* part--I unconsciously substituted a real word instead. :)

Date: 2006-09-12 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jethrien.livejournal.com
Hey, I'm using bad grammar lest I break into l33t.

Date: 2006-09-12 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
Hardly an excuse. :)

Date: 2006-09-12 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
I more got the Master and Commander vibe because the main character is Russell Crowe. I mean, he just is.

Oh, I know Mary Sues are rampant. I'm reading a book now at work where the main character does everbody's job better than they do. And one of my favorites -- Count of Monte Cristo -- very Marty Stu.

But have you gotten to the part where the Captain gives Timeraire a wedding ring? Yeah.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
Really? I wouldn't have said that about Monte Cristo. Not the actual novel, anyway.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Let's see...

He's richer than god.
He's smarter than everyone.
He knows more about pretty much everything than everyone else.
He's a better fighter than everyone (it's been a long time since I've read it, so I may be wrong on that).
He's oh so very manipulative that no one even guesses what he's up to.
He has teh angsty past.

The tension in the book is not whether he will succeed in his revenge but whether he will become a monster by taking revenge. I mean, the dude kicks serious ass.

Date: 2006-09-12 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
Been a while for me as well, but from what I remember:

He's richer than god.
No. Not until his fellow prisoner tells him about the treasure.

He's smarter than everyone.
No. He has time to plan carefully. He wasn't smart enough not to get sent to prison in the first place. And I thought his fellow prisoner tutored him over the years?

He knows more about pretty much everything than everyone else.
I don't remember anything like that in there. He planned carefully and took his time on every detail. That doesn't mean he knows everything, just that he's thorough. Plus he had a decade or so in prison, with nothing to do but learn and plot.

He's a better fighter than everyone (it's been a long time since I've read it, so I may be wrong on that).
I think you're confusing the book with the movie. :)

He's oh so very manipulative that no one even guesses what he's up to.
True, but again, it's because he has years to plan it and execute it.

He has teh angsty past.
No, he goes through something horrible and manages to survive it by focusing on revenge. He didn't have the angsty past before the novel.

I think the point of the novel is to show what depths a man can be driven to, and what revenge a man can come up with if given years to plan it and execute it.

Date: 2006-09-12 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Yes, it's about the depths of man, blah, blah, blah, but it's also largely about watching the Count crush his enemies into snivelling blobs of pudding. (or something)

He has plenty of reason to be so rich/manipulative, etc., but I definitely remember him having extensive and specific knowledge of poisons, and being able to manipulate the stock market (? market speculation?) through hijacking sign relay posts.

I'm not saying he's a bad mary sue, I'm just saying he is one.

Date: 2006-09-12 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
The fact that it started as fanfic and got this far is indeed cool.

I'll reserve judgment on the book itself until I get to read it. Someday.

But I reserve the right to hate her for being so damnably lucky. Because even if the book is brilliant it's still an unbelievable string of luck, and I envy the hell out of her for that.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ecmyers.livejournal.com
Oh, did it start as fanfic? I thought she was just a fanfic writer who was making good on her novel, but if it seems derivative of Pern and Hornblower, then it probably is.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
No idea--I'm basing this off what Ivy said, never having seen the books myself.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
I have it on good authority that yes it did, though I never saw the fic version.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
Yes, we can hate her with the hate for all succesful authors, starting with Dan Brown. *hate*

Tempered by the fact that I did like the book (though I haven't gotten to the second and third in the trilogy).

Date: 2006-09-12 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphonrose.livejournal.com
*More* successful authors, if you please!
:)

But I don't actually hate every author who's more successful than I am (so far). I do, however, hate those who get things handed to them. Esp. the ones whose writing is only passable at best, and have been given success they neither merited nor earned.

Note that I'm not saying that--the bit about being only passable--about this woman, since I don't know her writing at all.

Date: 2006-09-12 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy03.livejournal.com
But since I'm not a published author...that means I can hate everyone, right?

Date: 2006-09-12 07:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2006-09-12 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trinityvixen.livejournal.com
Now I really have to get the other books read.

As for Temeraire being the greatest dragon whatever dragoned? Yeah, not fucking surprised, but that's what all works of fiction are about that aren't part of the "not as good and moody about it but learning to live with said disability" genre.

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