Tin Man

[ivyfic]

I finished watching Tin Man last night. Oh dear god the plot holes. Trying to make sense of the timeline hurt my brain. And this is totally a nitpick but what ended up bothering me the most, so there's an eclipse in a few days, right? Stop talking about the moon rising at night. An eclipse means it's the new moon, the moon rises during the day. The moon's not going to rise at midnight, you don't need to wait for moonrise. The moon's not rising till the day! Do you people know nothing about astronomy?

*hem*

Parts two and three redeemed themselves for me a lot. Glitch was a lot more whimsical in part two. Though they didn't develop it as much as I would have liked, yes to DG being responsible for her sister's possession and all the misery that has happened since. Yes to Dorothy Gale being a mythic figure—as I said, she's Oz's King Arthur.

I still have a problem with parents that name one daughter Azkadelia and the other DG, though. Other things I have problems with:
-DG learns the people she thinks of as parents are robots and she completely throws them over. No angst over them being her real parents and the others being bio parents. It's like the fifteen years with them didn't happen.
-So, Cain stops his son from killing Zero cause it's wrong, then locks him in the tin man. And his son agrees with him that it's the right thing to do, and Adora (Adora?? Like She-ra??) would be proud of them for their restraint and mercy. What???? You used the instrument of oppression—the one you kept around to remind yourself what you were fighting against—and think it's merciful? Not even a ping on your conscience that you might be becoming like Zero? And what was with that line about oh, we'll come back and get him unless we die tomorrow, in which case he'll just have to stay here forever. Oh, well. It was fitting, it was poetic justice, but it was revenge. Trying to sell it as morality was so not right.
-What was with the man-boobs on the head scientist? That skin-colored pleather shirt was such an unfortunate costuming choice.
-If DG could expel the witch from Azkadelia by holding her hand, why didn't they try that in the first place? Why all these machinations and plans?
-The timeline really doesn't work. DG was sent to Kansas fifteen years ago, she's twenty now, which would make her five or younger in all the flashbacks. They keep talking about the fifteen years of torment since Azkadelia's been in power, but fifteen years ago she was a girl, and they show the coup as occurring when she's an adult, making it no more than five or so years ago. And don't even get me started on the "since that was a sapling" thing with Cain and how he can't have flashbacks about his wife's death since he wasn't there and didn't know about it. It just makes no sense.

I quite liked some of Azkadelia's outfits. (Particularly that leather coat/dress with the train and the shoulders. Not many people can pull that off.) Not so much the outfit with the gold shoulders, though. If she raised her arms, she'd squish her head.

Mostly though, I entertained myself while watching with the Glitch/Cain. I mean, come on—Glitch was pinging of Cain like crazy. And they're perfect for each other! Both are broken men who've suffered terribly. They balance each other completely—Cain's too serious and Glitch too whimsical. Glitch clearly needs a protector and Cain clearly needs someone to protect. Classic odd couple romantic pairing.

Don't get me wrong—I'd never write this. I probably wouldn't read it either; the world's not interesting enough to want to explore. But if someone wants to write the great Glitch/Cain Glitch-gets-his-brain-back epic? I'd totally read it.

(Where Glitch and Cain get together, but then Glitch gets his brain back and becomes Ambrose again. And suddenly he's serious and full of himself and not the Glitch Cain fell in love with. And he's a genius, and advisor to the queen, and an incredible fighter and dancer, and he's so in love with his regained abilities he loses his humility entirely and leaves Cain to go be DG's advisor. And then he starts to miss his former whimsy and realizes he liked being Glitch and can't be serious all the time and is all angsty, and then he crawls back to Cain and they live happily ever after. Not that I've thought about this or anything.)

I'd read that. If, you know, anyone wants to write it.

Comments

[tirtzah.livejournal.com]

Uh I pretty much agree with everything you said. Also were they assuming time runs differently in OZ? Because they seem to have implied that there was this long royal dynasty starting with Dorothy (hey what about Ozma?), but Dorothy would have only first come to OZ about 100 years ago or so.

And don't even get me started on the "since that was a sapling" thing with Cain

Actually that part made me laugh because given how fast trees can grow and how skinny that particular tree was it didn't actually seem to imply as long a time as I think was intended by the script.

As for Azkadelia's age, I suppose the witch could have somehow used her powers to speed up her aging process? o_O

The whole "take my hand" thing at the end reminded me a little too strongly of the last episode of Sailor Moon (Sailor Stars).

Glitch and Cain would make a cute couple, Cain was totally turned on when Glitch went all bad ass ninja on those guards.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

Cain was totally turned on when Glitch went all bad ass ninja on those guards
No kidding. And then Glitch kept looking at Cain with these dewy eyes.

I was wondering about the different speeds in Oz and the real world, but since DG seems to have been meant to have been gone for the same amount of time that passed in the OZ... The best I could figure was that, like, thirty years have passed in the OZ and Azkadelia is unnaturally young looking now because of the sucking life thing she does.

And DG's father's name is "a homo"? Really?

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

The 'take my hand' was more Practical Magic, to me. With the sisters and the possession and everything.

And Alan Cumming makes everything slashy/camp. It's his superpower.

There was G rated Cain/DG someplace the other day if you want me to hunt it up again, ivy03 Possibly I have repressed where, so no promises.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

Ack no! No interest in Cain/DG. DG was the worst part of the whole thing, I thought. Aside from the resemblance to Xena, she couldn't act at all. Cain/Glitch OTP!

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

I was mostly shocked the first fic I saw was het. Especially since, as you say, Cain and Glitch are the OTP.

[(Anonymous)]

I second that motion. Personally, I expected buckets of Glitch/Cain the moment I googled Tinman fiction. I was surprised to find so much Cain/DG... because I could not like her at all. I spent most of the third episode just... just PRAYING that the Cain/DG would not become horrible, horrible, unanticipated canon, and kill the baby Glitch/Cain before it even had a chance.

[brindel.livejournal.com]

And Alan Cumming makes everything slashy/camp. It's his superpower.

HAHAHA! Too right!

Knew there was a reason I loved him... *G*

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

There are few things better than his impression of Ian McKellan. And naming his fragrance after his surname? Sheer cheeky genius.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

OMG the ads for that perfume. SO WRONG.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

So wrong? Or so right? Haven't seen them, but I'm guessing they're both cheeky and spot-on.

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

Et voila! The video. Not remotely safe for work, but totally fantastic.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

And yet? I totally did try to watch it at work. So long as the sound is off, it's only totally scandalous. And really freakin' hot. The androgynous stuff doesn't do it for me normally, but Alan Cumming is really ridiculously cute, especially rolling around in bed coy-come-hither.

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

Oh, dude, you've got to rewatch with the sound once you can. The voiceover's what makes it really hot/adorable/hilarious.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Oh boy! It gets better!? Hooray! I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Thank God for little boy(slut)s.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

His perfume is called Cumming. Need I say more?

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Oh, I knew what it was called. I just think that perfume commercials are already so ridiculous they cannot be much worse when parodied. And I'm sure it's a magnificent riff.

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

I'm still sad the bodywash and shampoo never happened: Cumming All Over and Cumming In Your Hair are brilliant names.

[ivy03.livejournal.com]

Oh god. If I'd been drinking when I read that it would have come up my nose.

I guess if your last name is "Cummings" you just gotta go with it or be miserable your whole life.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Hey, I'd read it, if they made DG in any way interesting. I dunno if Neal McDonough was working off a different script, but he had some moments of more-than-friendly-not-quite-fatherly interest coming across when he was looking at Zooey Daschenal. I still don't get how ANYONE, let alone EVERYONE, drops everything for her character to succeed (except that they hate Azkadelia so much), but I could see a fanfic fixing her inanity with some better angst.

"Better angst"? Is there such a thing?

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

I think 'better angst' definitely exists. Unfortunately, not in the fic I saw.

As for everyone dropping everything, well, it's not like her traveling companions had much else to do and she kinda sorta saved their lives. What else was on Cain's to-do list other than tracking down Callum Keith Rennie and kicking his ass? This should in no way be taken as a defense of DG, who was such a generic heroine.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Callum Keith Rennie! I almost forgot about him! CKR and Alan Cumming are waltzing all around, and yet people choose to write about Cain/DG. It boggles the mind. And I'm not even a slash reader!

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Also: YOUR ICON. IT WINS. AT EVERYTHING IN TIME AND RELATIVE DIMENSIONS IN SPACE.

[mclittlebitch.livejournal.com]

Aw, thanks. I love this icon beyond all sense.

CKR and Alan Cumming are waltzing all around, and yet people choose to write about Cain/DG. The mind is indeed boggled. Cain called Glitch "sweetheart"! CKR was in leather and tied up! Huge slash fandoms have been built on less.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Cain called Glitch "sweetheart"! CKR was in leather and tied up! Huge slash fandoms have been built on less.

Take that, patriarchy! Fandom will pervert your manly-man archetypes! Hell, they're liable to find ways to pervert your perverted archetypes.

[trinityvixen.livejournal.com]

Don't get me wrong—I'd never write this. I probably wouldn't read it either; the world's not interesting enough to want to explore.

See, this is something I think that would be great to read fanfic for because I did think there were enough interesting elements to the world to make for a better story than they got out of it. There's a lot of really dark shit that they just didn't focus on so much. Like the tin prisons--it kinda got brushed aside that this totally barbaric torture device (it's a friggin' iron maiden, practically) was a) invented by Glitch, and b) invented by him when the queen was still in power, meaning it was in some way approved by her. So much for the good guys.

Mostly though, I entertained myself while watching with the Glitch/Cain. I mean, come on—Glitch was pinging of Cain like crazy.

::laughs:: OMG, so I couldn't tell you before since you hadn't gotten to the second part at that time, but I nearly died over Alan Cumming break-dance-fighting with the guards while Cain watched. Because right after he's done with his little routine, Cain then throws him against a hill so they're not spotted and Alan Cumming completely fails to keep the most fourth-wall-breakingest shit-eating grin off his face at having Neal McDonough throw him down. Alan Cumming is a living, breathing real little black dress in life--he definitely goes with everything.